Interview: Mo Green for North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction

📍 Listen, public education in North Carolina is a turbulent issue. 📍 Ranking 38th in teacher pay and an embarrassing 46 in per student funding. 📍 North Carolina lawmakers have shown us again and again that they do not prioritize public education.

North Carolina is also proudly the only state that does not compensate for master's degrees. Teachers are not guaranteed a lunch break while they are working, nor any kind of break during their work day.

And if that's how teachers are being paid, school support staff are being paid even less. And in the last several years, we have seen droves of teachers leaving education or moving to other states where they can make a living.

Despite really valid concerns about retaining great educators, North Carolina has spent its energy on other things in public education, arguably things that are way less important. They've spent important resources and energy focusing on developing a Parent Bill of Rights, which allows parents to opt their children out of health education, opens the door to banning books in districts, and acts essentially as a mini don't say gay law for kindergarten through fourth graders

To make it worse, North Carolina hasn't had a reliable state superintendent in years. We've had a string of one term superintendents that didn't seem interested in advocating for kids or teachers at all.

It's hard to think that we could take more away from North Carolina's public school system.

But apparently you can, the race between Mo Green and Michelle Morrow has become one of the most contested races in North Carolina this year, and has gained national attention. It's been featured on CNN,

📍 Republican nominee has tweeted about putting Democrats to death. Michelle Morrow. Here's tweets. former President Barack Obama in an electric chair.

Morrow wrote, Marlowe wrote I prefer a pay per view of him in front of the firing squad. she was calling schools, indoctrination centers and socialism. centers.

Now, if Morrow wins she's going to have oversight of an 11 billion budget. And the state's 1. 3 million students.

and Barack Obama took the time to endorse Mo Green.

📍 I've taken special interest in following the, uh, school superintendent race down here in North Carolina. In part because, uh, apparently the, uh, Republican candidate's been spreading conspiracy theories and thinks I should face a firing squad. So I guess I am self interested. We can have differences on issues.

But we can't have differences. Somebody saying just crazy stuff, running your school system, purchasing textbooks, allocating resources for our kids. You need somebody like Mo Green,

usually, the race for state superintendent flies under the radar, but North Carolina has two candidates that couldn't be more different.

And so I am so proud to bring you my interview with Mo Green, a man who I hope will become North Carolina's next state superintendent of public instruction.

During the interview, make sure to watch common along timestamp, anything that you feel is important, share this with a friend who needs to understand how important this race is.

And without further ado, let me introduce you to Mo green.

📍 Well, hi, Mo. Thank you for giving me a little bit of your time today. I know we are recording this one week out until the big election on November 5th. thanks for coming on.

Yeah, it's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

I feel like there's a huge elephant in the room here that we need to talk about before we jump in.

Okay. Barack Obama gave you a shout out in a North Carolina Get Out the Vote rally last week. How does it feel to know Barack Obama not only knows who you are, um, but that he wants you to win?

Yeah, it's a, it was a bit overwhelming to, uh, hear and see, uh, that shout out, if you will, the endorsement, uh, means a lot to me that he would, um, yeah, certainly acknowledge that I have the ability to lead, um, North Carolina public schools at the same time, raise concerns about, about my opponent, uh, as well.

So it was, it was pretty remarkable. Um, I have to confess that, um, I actually. I was able to take students, my students advisory council to see him speak when I was the superintendent and Guilford County schools. And so, yeah, certainly had been in his presence before and then another occasion got to shake his hand.

So I felt like, well, maybe we're getting closer to him. Uh, yeah, really knowing, knowing a little bit about me.

Y'all be having lunch before you know it. I feel it. Well, could you start off with just a brief introduction and tell us why you're running for North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction?

Yeah. So again, my name is Maurice Green. I do go by Mo just a little bit about my background. I served as superintendent of Guilford County schools for seven and a half years. And before that, I was the deputy superintendent and general counsel for Charlotte Mecklenburg schools for seven and a half years.

Also, most recently served as the executive director for the Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation. It's a foundation that only funds, um, causes in North Carolina, but one of its major causes is supporting public education. why am I running? I certainly have concerns about student achievement and how we might improve that.

I also have deep, deep concerns about how woefully underfunded our public school system is here in North Carolina. And in addition to that, I'm certainly concerned about what I call the disrespect, the level of disrespect shown to educators. Um, that certainly includes compensation, but it's even much more than that.

And so, um, those are the, I would say the three primary reasons that I decided to get into the race, but I always tell folks that it did take a conversation with, um, Governor Cooper, um, in which he asked me to run because I had actually retired from the Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation. And, and, uh, even while I had deep concerns, um, had not decided what my next thing would be and, uh, the conversation with him, um, really, you know, uh, jelled in my mind that this really ought to be the next thing.

Wow, I didn't realize that, you had come out of retirement for this too, your passion really shows.

Can you set expectations about what you can do and what you can't do as state superintendent?

This position, I like to say, has two major roles. One is the advocacy role. The other one is to be the chief administrative officer.

for public schools. And in this instance, you know, you're thinking about, you know, working with a state board of education that, uh, you know, actually puts forward, you know, various policies. So we'll be working with them. All of what we do, both the state board and the state superintendent is subject into the general assembly.

They could establish laws. that could limit that. that's where that limitation, uh, you say, what, what can't I do? I think that's where that limitation would come is if they establish some laws that says we're not going to do A, B or C. Um, but yeah, that doesn't preclude then this position from advocating for a different, uh, way forward, if you will.

In the past, it has not felt like state superintendents advocated for teachers. We've seen a series of one term superintendents answering to corporate entities like Catherine Truitt. Um, and my ears are still burning from Mark Johnson's comments in 2018 that said, 35, 000 was a good starting salary for a first year teacher.

Do you see yourself as an advocate for teachers and school staff? And more specifically, how would you like to see educators compensated in North Carolina?

I certainly do see myself as an advocate for educators and certainly to include, but not limited to teachers. I have reached a point in my career where I tell folks all the time that in many ways, my resume and my actions have to speak for themselves.

And so 1 of the things that you can look back to say, well, yes, this person will stand up for for teachers and educators is the fact that I did, um, Yeah, join a lawsuit, um, that was brought by the Charlotte Mecklenburg Board of Education and the Guilford County Board of Education. And I was a sole individually named plaintiff, uh, that really challenged, um, the elimination of career status or tenure, sort of, many folks would think about it that way.

It's not quite the same, but essentially, uh, those who had earned career status that, um, at the General Assembly wanted to abolish that, uh, for those who had already earned it. And so I, I said, no, I didn't think that was right. And so, um, decided to stand up in that instance and, you know, filed a The lawsuit, uh, to prevent that from, from happening.

that hopefully gives you an example of where I'm willing to stand up. Yeah, I do believe that this position, in addition to being the chief administrative officer is the chief advocacy officer for public schools. And so I do believe that this position requires someone to be standing up for public education.

And, and if you're standing up for public education, I believe you have to stand up for, for public school educators. that doesn't mean that we're going to always agree. It doesn't mean that I'm not going to challenge and want better out of our educators. Uh, cause I certainly will, uh, because ultimately we have to do right by our children.

Right. But it does mean that, um, I am going to be the one that's going to try to be as supportive as I can be, uh, of educators, uh, going forward. Your question about what is an appropriate compensation. Um, so yeah, I certainly think about this as we've got to increase the base compensation for teachers, uh, pretty dramatically, I'd love to see us get across the state to having a base compensation that's in, you know, somewhere around 60, 000, uh, starting, um, and, and then moving up from there.

based on experience and other criteria that we would want. to set for, for increased compensation beyond the starting salary. We've got to have a dramatic increase, I believe, to recruit and retain, the kind of educators we want.

And just for reference, for people listening here about teacher pay, I worked in Charlotte Mecklenburg schools, which has a supplement to the state, baseline salaries.

One of the better supplements in the state. I had a master's degree from Johns Hopkins, which I was not compensated for. And I left after 10 years of teaching. I finally made exactly 50, 000 that year and was on track to retire making around 65, 000. So Hearing that you are motivated to getting the base rate at 60, 000, I think would have been a game changer for me to know that I could have made a living for myself and gotten to stay in my passion.

Yeah.

Yeah. So it's not going to be easy. As I tell folks, if it were easy, then I would have stayed in retirement. You know, this is the kind of thing that's going to take real work. That's going to take a lot of different voices, having conversations with the general assembly to figure out how we can move some things forward, including, you know, having conversations about master's pay, which you lifted up as well.

Um, it used to be the case that master's pay was compensated. Um, and so trying to figure out why the one, I would say the entity, uh, public education. education that we wouldn't value folks who get a master's degree, uh, by paying them more is something that we've got to have deep conversations with appropriate people about.

Absolutely. How do you feel about North Carolina teacher pay being linked to standardized test scores or performance measures, essentially merit pay?

Yeah, so I'm not opposed to merit pay. Um, we certainly utilized it both in Guilford County schools and when I was in Charlotte Mecklenburg schools.

However, what I think we have done is we have, we have sort of flipped the model in a way that I think is unfortunate because now we try to put substantial. Amounts of dollars that folks can earn in merit pay while not really addressing what I think is the fundamental issue around compensation and that is base pay.

Yeah, and so then, you know, if you get the base pay, right, and then you say, yeah, okay, for an organization who. Or school that has done something significantly well, we want to give them a little bonus if you will. To celebrate some, you know, really tremendous outcomes on behalf of students. I'm not, I'm certainly not opposed to that, but it's not that that becomes the driver for performance, but rather the reward for, you know, just acknowledging great, great outstanding performance, if you will.

So more of a balanced approach to how we use merit pay.

balanced. And I would say balanced, meaning actually flipping, meaning that it would be, and it would not necessarily, you know, not again, I'm not opposed to, and I know like there are going to be hard to staff positions where we might need additional compensation to bring someone into a particular position.

But these things must be done after we did the base compensation. To the right levels, right? And so that'll be part of the way that I'll be approaching the conversation with the General Assembly is we've got, we've got to start over and recognize that we got to get the base compensation right first, and then we'll figure out what to do on top of that.

If anything,

I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think for many teachers in North Carolina, starting over maybe sounds like the best place to begin with this sort of thing. We've come very far from other pay scales in other states. so moving on to the North Carolina Parent Bill of Rights, North Carolina schools have spent a lot of energy discussing if books should be banned and removed from school libraries.

it's also impacting access to health class and sexual education. Would you like to change or get rid of the North Carolina parent bill of rights?

as I've shared in other contexts, I actually believe that, uh, even the title suggests something that's, that's a false narrative. Like the parents need some kind of bill of rights as though our public schools aren't trying to do right by children and their, and their families and their parents.

And so there's this need almost to have some, some bill of rights. If you will, and then I would go further and say that there are actually many of the, Laws that are in the North Carolina Bill of Rights were already established. So this isn't much of what is in there isn't new. So what, what then becomes new is I think, uh, some parts of the legislation that I think actually has a chilling effect on how educators, you know, operate, how they can be in relationship with students.

And students in relationship with, with their, with their teachers and other educators. And so, you know, for me, I would, I would. You always sort of hate to say, well, let's just throw it all out. I will, you know, I would certainly want to be in a conversation that says, do we really need this? And if, if we, we certainly, because there are some laws that we need to have, uh, that are already in place.

And so, you know, whether we start over or just acknowledge those things were serving us just fine. let's get back to that. this is another one of those situations where I think I talked to early on about the level of disrespect shown to educators. This in many ways to me as an example of, of that, level of, you know, um, lack of respect shown to our educators with some of the.

Pieces of that legislation. And so we need to, I think, get rid of those things, get back to where we are, and allow our educators to have the authority and, um, the responsibility to educate our children as they, we know that they

can. Could you elaborate more on that? How do you feel about the book Bannings that are going on in North Carolina schools?

Yeah, so, um, again, I think we've taken something, you know, that, um. Yeah, it's just completely, I think, I think we've approached this in a, in a, in an awfully terrible way, quite honestly. So let's think about this. Um, I first start with, if we respect our educators, then we give them the authority to select books that they think are going to be educationally appropriate for, for students.

And so that's where I start. And then you sort of recognize that there may be situations where a parent might say, well, I think in this instance, I don't believe that this particular book is appropriate for my child to read. And so then we ought to address that. school systems already have policies in place to allow for those sort of conversations to occur.

This concept that we've got all this massive, set of books that need to be, you know, removed and we've got to have some elaborate plan is again just, I think, Just, it's another way of showing a level of disrespect to our educators, and so I'm not in favor of this massive, you know, book banning effort, if you

will.

It seems like a huge waste of time and money, for everybody that's involved. Okay, so the school calendar has become really controversial in North Carolina counties. just background for people, North Carolina has strict laws that were set by the tourism board about the dates that school should begin and end by.

In North Carolina, students used to have one uniform summer break, no matter what county you lived in or what type of school you were in, so long it was busy. If it was public, you had the same summer vacation, but there's been a trend in the last five years of schools breaking these rules to have a calendar that feels more convenient for the Children living in that county.

What is your stance on this? Do you have feelings on this?

Yes, I actually was, uh, part of Charlotte Mecklenburg schools when the legislation was put in place and even back then raised deep concerns about, uh, don't know whether it makes sense for us to have a uniform, policy that is so restrictive.

Right. I mean, certainly you could develop a policy that says we recognize that there is a need for us to have, you know, some level of, you know, summer across the state, but it's not so restrictive to individual school districts and what their needs may be, but allowing those school districts to operate within that.

That level of flexibility, and so I'd like for us to get back to that, you know, and so have a situation where certainly there's a recognition that there is a need for perhaps some period of time when we say, let's try as best we can not to have schools, but we recognize that schools in North Carolina operate on so many different.

There's so many variables when you think about, we are a state that has, you know, You know, the coast, it has the mountains as urban centers. You know, we have now schools trying to operate within, you know, on college campuses there, you know, there, there's so many things that we're trying to do in our educational system that trying to constrain it in a way, um, By calendar, I don't as strictly as this particular calendar law is, I don't think makes much sense.

I wonder if that's something that they'll budge on down the road. I remember when I was in my first year of teaching in Charlotte, I taught at a school, um, I was part of Project Lift, if you remember that. Um, and this group of schools were trying to become year round schools and they had to go. To Raleigh and present it and ask for permission for schools hundreds of miles away to become year round schools.

Um, and for that school population, it actually felt like it made sense and it was something that would benefit the 📍 kids. And it just felt very strange to have to go ask for rules to be bent for something that felt so logical at the time. Yeah,

and again, I that's where I don't want to suggest that I did not hear what, various communities were saying, um, and want to acknowledge that.

But at the same time, I do believe that this is an instance where, local rule. Makes a whole lot more sense.

Yeah, I think people, it's a good place to give some local control. everyone wants to be in control when summer break is. so if you win, what are some of the first actions you'd like to take in office?

it gets back to those things that were deeply concerning to me. Um, as to what got me into the race. And so I certainly want to work on plans to advocate for additional resources in general in our public schools. I mean, if you, by context, understand that, you know, um, national average is about 16, 000 dollars per student.

Virginia is a little over 14, 000. South Carolina is a little over 15, 000 dollars. per student. North Carolina is low for 11, 000 per student. So this is a place where, where we, I believe, have got to do some significant advocacy work. And then what'll come along with that then is the place, you know, a primary place I'd like to put those dollars would be, uh, in compensation for our educators.

Certainly to include teachers, but not solely, teachers. and then, as I also indicated, I do believe we've got to focus on, uh, student, uh, achievement, uh, and so we'll want to continue the work that, uh, has already been started with early literacy skills. I actually served on a cohort, um, with this current state superintendent, um, figuring out how to.

implement that for North Carolina. We worked with five of the states so we could learn from each other on how to do that. I'd like to continue that and expand that to middle schools because I think there are many students who are struggling readers in our middle schools as well. I'd like for us to expand, career and technical education courses students who are taking college level courses.

that has, that has been my mantra is I'd love to get us to a place where every student is doing both, um, completing a series of CTE courses and completing, some college level courses while still in high school. And so, Part of then that leads into what I would say is a much broader strategic plan that we'll plan on working on the way that I operate is to take what we've learned and what we will learn in the first few months and develop a pretty comprehensive strategic plan that we'll then implement, um, you know, a few months after I start.

I hear a lot of money talk that happens in there. North Carolina lawmakers are very famous for blocking funds, fighting over the budget. We have seen budgets not get passed and stalled out, arguing about teacher pay and education funding. how do you feel like you'll come to people, come to lawmakers specifically, and talk to them to Get the funding in your direction.

Do you think that you have any sway when it comes to getting money to flow towards public schools again?

here I again lean on my experience and the way that I operate. And so the way that I operate is now a brand, that started when I was superintendent of Guilford County Schools. Uh, I lead, I listened and, uh, Learn and then lead.

It's called Mo wants to know. And so part of the way that I operate is to have conversations with lots of folks. Listen to what they have to say. Try to find those nuggets of things that we might be able to work on and move forward and then move forward on those. I also tell folks that, we must recognize that it's not going to be just a Mowgreen.

I mean, yeah, so if we're relying on just me. to make this happen, then we're, we're going to be, um, misunderstanding the way that we have to push forward public education. This is an all in. Everyone has a part to play. And so, um, yeah, we'll be calling on lots of different folks with lots of different voices to, to push things forward.

I always tell folks that even in the meantime, we will look for other sources for resources as well. You know, when I was superintendent of GCS, when some doors were closed on, you know, funding from the state, you know, we, for example, when we wanted to start a school in early college and thought we're going to get 300, 000 that had typically been given.

when that did not happen, we went out and raised money locally and raised over a million dollars to start the school. So,

hey now,

so we will figure out ways to move forward. I know it's not a no for all ways for me, but yeah, let's just figure out how to move around and move things forward, even in the meantime.

I like hearing. That you think you're on a team with everybody in education and all the stakeholders. I do think that's something that has really been missing from the people that have held office prior to you I've I remember being in the classroom and receiving emails and reading news articles and things from about the state Superintendents and feeling like they were actively against me as an employee disinterested not invested in me staying in my career.

And it is so refreshing to hear that you just want to talk to people and listen and and find out what solutions we can get from that and not just be running the show by yourself.

Absolutely. You know, we created when I was superintendent, uh, teachers advisory council, a principal's advisory council, students advisory council.

This is how I operate. We're going to listen to a lot of folks and we'll figure out how to move things forward.

Yeah, I hope so. And I love that the students could be involved in the process too. All right. I hate to bring her up, but why should voters choose you over Michelle Morrow?

Yeah, so, uh, I will lift up three things. The first is experience, the second is belief, and the third is character. With regards to experience, you've heard about mine during our wonderful conversation.

Uh, Michelle Morrow shared her experience as she's a homeschooler. Um, and I tell folks all the time that homeschooling, I have no doubt, to say against it. Um, if that's what you choose to do, but you're talking about the chief administrative officer for public schools. So this is the position that is charged with guiding and overseeing over 2500 schools.

You know, 1. 4 plus million students, uh, administering a budget of 11 billion annually. This is a massive, complex educational operation, and so the experience level between the two of us, I think, is just dramatic. And then you add on top of that, uh, because of the folks that I got to work with, we were able to move things like graduation rates pretty dramatically.

Improved student outcomes and the number of different measures and also be recognized as a national district of character. And so this I think suggests that it wasn't just I have years of being in a seat But I have years of being in a seat and moving them Massive educational organization when I was superintendent of Guilford County schools in a very positive direction Second is belief.

You know, I believe in our public schools. My wife and I, we had two Children. We chose to put our Children into our public schools. as opposed to my opponent who again home schools. But she goes further than that. She calls our public schools as You know, being taken over by Satan and, um, that they're, you know, cesspools of, absolute cesspools of evil, lies and deception and, you know, the list is long, the things she has said.

So, it really calls into question whether she then truly believes in our public schools. And then third, I would say, is character. here you heard me mention a moment ago what we did in making character development so important in Guilford County schools. That's part of what we'll want to take to the state level.

as opposed to my opponent who has done all sorts of things and said all sorts of things, she took her children to the attempted insurrection on January six. Um, she, call for the setting side of the U. S. Constitution that same evening after being up there on January six, people had literally lost their lives.

Call for the invoking of the insurrection act and having the military take over our country. She's called for the executions of many. including President Biden, Governor Cooper, uh, call for the public executional pay for view of Barack Obama. We've created a website, Natalie, um, called abcmorrow. com 📍 where every letter, yeah, you can look it up.

It's her own words or her own things that she has done or said. Tweets she's put out, putting herself on video, of things that would call into question, her character, if you will, and whether this is the kind of person we want next to and leading our, our public school children.

In a time where school safety and fear of school violence is so prominent, it's a huge concern for.

Anybody who is working in schools or parents. It is beyond belief to me that we would elect somebody to lead the schools that is calling for violence. Public violence towards people. Um, and I hope people think about that when they vote, like people will tell you who they are. and I, I really don't have a palette for anybody calling for executions of anybody, especially not our elected officials.

Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right and so, you know, it is, it's remarkable that someone like that would even, be this close. I mean, this person is literally this close to being our next state superintendent and this is what you will bring forward. You talk about safety. I mean, she said that the plus and LGBTQ includes pedophilia.

Um, you know, I mean, you talk about a very vulnerable community already, the last thing they need to do is be associated with pedophiles. And so, but this is the kind of, And I mean, I mean, again, I mean, we could talk for a long time and we won't cover all the things she has said and done.

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I was in a Dollar Tree today with my son and I just had to step back. We were the only people, almost the only people in there speaking English. I heard four different, four different languages. Guys, I'm thinking, did these people just get, Bused here from the border. I, I, that's all I could think.

I've never seen this many people that don't speak English at one time there are probably about 20 people in there, and three of them were men that were not dressed like men.

And not walking like men and not holding themselves like men I feel like I'm living in the, um, in the twilight zone, but it's not the twilight zone. It's the lost zone. It's the lost zone. People are desperate for the hope of Jesus.

Even what we put together, that website doesn't cover all the things that she has said and done. That really calls into question, you know, whether, you know, people would feel safe, under her leadership, whether she would, when she doesn't. Have things go her way, we'll call for additional violence. I mean, she last week or two put out something that said, this is going to be the American revolution 2.

1. This is war, almost suggesting if she doesn't win, this is where this is headed. I don't, I don't even know what's behind that, but it's the kind of thing that we got to say. And I wouldn't do this with most opponents, right? I would, we'd talk about educational issues, let the best person, you know, with the best issues be the successful candidate, and go forward.

This is different and we need to recognize this is fundamentally different, um, than, than typical. Typical candidates who run for this

office. Absolutely. I mean, state superintendent is something I've always watched closely because I'm an educator and I'm personally invested, you know, I don't ask for a pay raise.

I go vote for a pay raise. But, there is a reason why this has become one of the more contested races and one of the more interesting races nationwide this election. and it's for a very sad reason. I, you know, I love to see people care about education on the level that they do now and be interested in it.

And, you know, I just hate that this is why. Because there are serious conversations that we need to be having in education, particularly in North Carolina. And I just want to see things move away from the extremes back to what we should be focusing on, which is children should have the education that they deserve, no matter what zip code they're In no matter what their 📍 first language is, and be able to have an opportunity to grow up to be a wonderful, caring adult, you know,

yes, yes, yes. Indeed. Indeed.

Well, my last question for you is, uh, just so we can get to know you a little bit better. Got maybe a little backyard barbecue going on. You got the family, a couple of your favorite teachers from over time.

What's on the grill? What are you drinking? What is that night look like for you?

Uh, so what am I? So there are probably lots of different things on the grill. What I'm likely to eat is going to be, uh, salmon. Um, I like to, to, to grill salmon. And so that, that'd be, that'd be definitely on the grill. Um, but I imagine there'll be others who want other things.

So we'll put out other, other types of food as well. What am I drinking? Probably a little bit of a sweet tea. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, that, that, that's probably what I'd be, what I'd be up to. I, I tend to be a little bit more of a low key person. So it's not going to be, you know, the big, you know, party, party, party, but just chilling out and relaxing and enjoying each other's company.

Now, I don't know if salmon is low key. That's, uh, definitely a little higher brow than my barbecue would be.

I've come to this later in life. There was not, yeah, I was the hot dogs and hamburgers, yeah, for, and not that I don't still enjoy those, right? But, but I, I have found a recipe that speaks to me with salmon.

And so I like to, I like to do that.

Oh, yeah, I love it. We'll get the sweet tea flowing a little Sam and it sounds like a good time.

There we go. 📍 There we go

Thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it.

I know. Thank you for giving me so much of your valuable time, and for us to have a conversation about public education.

📍 You need somebody like Mo Green, who's actually run one of the largest school systems in the state, and will make sure your kids get the education they deserve.

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